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**BFE** · 06-27-2009, 04:41 PM

fuck ethanol

Noidly1 · 06-27-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BFE

fuck ethanol

Not a drinker hugh?

Slingshot383 · 06-28-2009, 05:59 AM

Hmmm, alcohol not good for internal combustion engines.....then I guess all the race cars that run on it are just a figment of imagination, and that they would run better on gasoline? You might also want to rethink your idea about it costing more to make it in energy use than what it produces after being made, there are some very efficent methods out there on making alcohol.

mitch · 06-29-2009, 08:22 AM

While I'm not a slashcan and his rants fan. He's correct about the costing more to make then getting, it's an out and out gift to the corn farmers of america.

Also the engines made to run on alcohol are tuned very very differently then a gas motor.

About the power thing:

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Before electronic fuel injection (EFI) and computerized engine management, the lower energy content of ethanol required engine carburetors to be rejetted to permit a larger volume of fuel to mix with the intake air. EFI is able to actively compensate for varying fuel energy densities by monitoring the oxygen content of exhaust gases. However, a standard EFI gasoline engine can typically only tolerate up to 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline. Higher ethanol ratios require either larger-volume fuel injectors or an increase in fuel rail pressure to deliver the greater liquid volume needed to equal the energy content of pure gasoline.

- Ethanol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**BFE** · 06-30-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mitch

it's an out and out gift to the corn farmers of america.

out and out gift to the corporate and political machine more so than the farmer. Farmers (especially the non-corporate, everyday farmer) are getting raped on the prices and not making much margin while the fertilizer companies, politicians, etc are raking in the dough.

There are so much better alternatives than ethanol. Fuel cell, hydrogen, propane/cng, the politicians just haven't found a way to make money on it, so it's not being crammed down your throat. Not to mention the added negative impact that the ethanol fiasco has on the environment. But hey, it's giving people jobs right now building ethanol plants all over the state, so maybe we shouldn't complain.

I had heard recently that the mandatory rate of ethanol in fuel is going up. Times are tough, the politicians need their portfolios to grow I guess.

Noidly1 · 07-04-2009, 10:17 AM

If gas stations do end up going to 15%, I can see a lot of carbed engins burning up.

Good for auto makers and mechanics, bad for owners.

Slingshot383 · 07-06-2009, 05:59 AM

Racing Methanol is lab grade, 99.995 pure, no exotics added, it, like ethanol is isotropic, and will absorbe water. There are race cars that run pure enthanol out there. Actually the modern F.I. cars, and even older cars can run up to 15% ethanol without a problem. A safe industry standard is 10% to give cusion for variations is mixes.

tfs32 · 07-13-2009, 02:22 AM

What is with all the

Novels in this thread, can't we all just get along and stop fighting, this reminds me of the time that my dad punched my mom in the mouth at dinner